Hi everyone, Nina here, along with the Movie MILF talking to Tad Stones, co-director of the upcoming animated Hellboy: The Sword of Storms, premiering October 28, 9:30 ET/PT on the Cartoon Network. If you haven't already checked out the online production diaries, you should. Flixens had an opportunity to talk with Tad and ask him a few questions about the movie, his career, and his marriage.
Nina Kincaid: Working on "Hellboy Animated", did you have any constraints related to the existing Del Toro feature film, or its planned sequel? Or does the animated version take place in a separate "universe," so to speak? How involved was Guillermo in the animated project?
Tad Stones: In reverse order, Guillermo got Revolution to focus on doing an animated version. It was not something they'd normally be pursuing. He also gave me the name of our composer, Christopher Drake. But Chris got the job due to the spec score he did on an animatic sequence. I'm glad he was so good or Guillermo and I would've gotten into a big fight. Other than that, our production coincided with "Pan's Labyrinth" so Guillermo wasn't even in the country. Any spare time he had during that was spent writing the first draft of "Hellboy 2"
I think every medium Hellboy visits gets its own universe. The only real Hellboy is the one that Mike writes. We try to be as close to the comics as we can but there are differences. Professor Broom is still alive in our stories and the details of some of the major events in Hellboy's life are different.
The only constraints the live action films place on us are in the choosing of the subject matter. Mike knows I would love to do something with the world of faerie but that's the subject matter of HB2.
NK: I remember watching the original "Darkwing Duck" pilot when I was younger, which you wrote and produced, but thought that the quality of the writing dipped in the actual series, which had a number of writers. How involved would you be with an animated "Hellboy" series if there was one?
TS: It is the nature of an animated series that the writing - and everything else really - gets rushed. I thought the writing was generally strong in the series but the execution, both within the studio and overseas, went up and down.
I wouldn't say "no" to a series but I actively campaign against it. This is a complete turnaround from where we started - when Mike and I were coming up with half hour ideas. A half hour equals just 22 minutes on TV sans commercials. What I learned in the movies is how much time it takes to really play with suspense and horror. With short episodes you're just hitting plot. In addition to suspense, there's also more personality in the movies, especially with Liz and Abe. A series also brings with it network notes.
Movie MILF: Will there be a series of animated Hellboy movies?
TS: I'm hoping to have a long series of movies.
MM: In the production diaries, you talk about "Hellboy" creator Mike Mignola's involvement in the project primarily as a writer. Why have someone else (Sean "Cheeks" Galloway) be the lead character designer?
TS: That was Mike's choice. In the DVD extras Mike says he had the perfect amount of involvement: be in on the fun part of breaking the story, giving input on the script (being the final say in most instances) then just seeing a few designs. He lets us do the work of actually making the movie.
If Mike was part of the production team he'd go nuts from stress and his comic output would be zero. More importantly, Mike didn't want the show to look like his stuff. His Hellboy is the one you find under the covers that he draws. He can't watch when people try to ape his style.
NK: The production schedule seemed maddening. One year from concept to broadcast... Yet you seem comfortable in the arena of TV and Direct-to-DVD animation. Do you find that you work better creatively under pressure?
TS: NO!!!!!!!!!!! It's just the necessity of schedule and budgets. Although my wife would deny it, I have an organized brain ... At least when it comes to animation production and resist concentrating too much on just what's in front of me. I have to keep the whole schedule in mind. But the ration of time to passion has never been worse than on this project. Doing one movie in the time we did these two would be just about right.
MM: Before "Animated Hellboy", which project of yours are you most proud of? How has "Animated Hellboy" surpassed it?
TS: "Darkwing Duck", the "Buzz Lightyear" movie, parts of "Milo's Return" (which is just a pale shadow of "Hellboy"). All I can say is that I somehow feel my career is just starting. "Hellboy" lets me write on a whole different level and push the boundaries of American animation.
NK: I was very interested in reading in the production diaries about the logistics of doing animation that is to be finished overseas. Can you talk a little bit about the differences between the modern animation process and what it was like when you started in the business, and the adaptations you've had to make?
TS: Whew... Basically, it's like doing animation by remote control. We set up key shots and designs rather than plan each scene. "The Simpsons", which is being worked on one hallway over from me, do character layouts - pretty much every important animation pose is drawn by animators here. On "Hellboy" we just send storyboards and exposure sheet and hope for the best.
NK: How did the "Hellboy Animated" budget compare to other similar projects?
TS: I can only speak to those that I worked on. It was about half my last DVD of "Brer Rabbit" that I did for Universal. I never had one of the Disney DVD big budgets. Mine were always a little higher than a series budget, cost per foot of film.
MM: I'm curious to know about the whole "voice issue" regarding Abe Sapien. First off, how does Doug Jones' voice compare to David Hyde Pierce's from the feature film? Why was there a decision to go with Doug's voice after many fans felt that David nailed it? Did the sequel to the feature film factor into it?
TS: Realize that David always thought the performance was Doug's. He just gave Guillermo the sound he wanted and a few performance tweaks. That's why you saw Doug on the red carpet instead of David. It was very generous of David to do that.
When we offered the part to David, Abe only had a cameo and most of it was "Look out, Liz!" lines. The part wasn't challenging, he didn't need the money, and he still felt Doug created the character.
Doug created a performance that the other actors played off of. It's not a guy yanking on a gorilla suit for an Abbot and Costello movie. I will say Doug is closer to the character than David was but that's me. Doug has a lower pitch and a less fragile sensibility.
MM: How much of the actor's "performance" came across in the animated work? Was any of it based on their action and movement from the feature film or was this completely stylized based on Mignola's art? I guess this goes back to Nina's question about constraints.
TS: Some storyboards were drawn before the track was recorded so any connection was more luck or came from the acting inherent in the writing. Both actor and artist are pulling from the same script. We didn't study the film for any movement. Ron Perlman's Hellboy is a compromise due to the fact that Ron is a human. Anyway, short answer? No physical performance connection just the poses inspired by the voices of the actors.
NK: Were you under any restrictions considering that the movie would premiere on the Cartoon Network? Or did you simply just make the movie and assume that they would edit as necessary for broadcast?
TS: The latter. Our DVD folks would love it if Cartoon Network felt the need to edit. They'd plaster "Complete and uncut!" all over the package.
MM: Will the DVD version differ from the broadcast version?
TS: Only if they edit. Well, I'll amend that. The premiere will be letterboxed. The other showing will be the pan and scan compromise.
MM: It's refreshing to see the production diaries. Marvel, for example, was very secretive about showing anything from their first animated Ultimate Avengers DVD, and I found the final result disappointing, from an animated standpoint when compared to the source material. I'm curious to know then why did you make the choice to even do the online blog? Were you looking for early fan buy-in?
TS: I would've done more. Film Roman had the crew of "Wow, wow, Wubsy!" produce a blog but since their fans are toddlers, they don't get much traffic. They offered me the same. I asked, "Are we trying to keep a secret or are we doing things the modern, Peter Jackson way?" They wanted to be open then backtracked and wanted to make sure the timing of announcements was just right. I felt gagged until Comic-con and by then I no longer had a crew. The fan street cred was never a factor.
NK: Wouldn't Mignola's blessing be enough for the fans?
TS: Yes and no. There's no upside to a creator badmouthing a project when translated into another medium. So unless he's Alan Moore, an artist/writer tends to make nice with the press. Usually, you get the real feelings after a project is done. But Mike seems very happy with how we're doing things.
NK: My favorite character from "Hellboy" is, of course, Kate Corrigan. I'm glad to she that she'll have a part in the animated film. Did you have a favorite going into the project? Did that change after finishing the production?
TS: I've always liked Kate. In the comics she's obviously the one closest to Hellboy, the one he confides his secrets to. She's also based on Christine Mignola in some ways. It's the whole world that Mike created that was my "favorite" although Hellboy is fun to write.
MM: Was there a conscious decision to appeal to a more female audience with the addition of Kate's character, as well as to "toughen" up Liz compared to how she was portrayed in the feature film?
TS: No. We used Kate instead of Liz because we wanted normal agents to contrast with all the weird creatures of Japanese folklore. When we had to write additional material, it made sense to give the time to Liz and Abe. We still kept them away from Japan. Liz is much tougher and more cynical in the comics than in Guillermo's first "Hellboy".
NK: With the premiere airing on the Cartoon Network before the DVD hits retail shelves, are you worried about how DVD sales might be affected by digital piracy?
TS: Yes, Bit Torrent is a big concern of mine since torrentors are exactly the audience who would enjoy "Hellboy" and might buy it. If the sales aren't of a certain level, there won't be anymore Hellboys. Real fans will buy it for the picture quality and sound.
MM: Along those lines, the deal is already done for the two animated films. Is the decision for more based primarily on the DVD sales or the broadcast ratings? Would you WANT to do more?
TS: Ratings help DVD sales. I want to do a lot more!
NK: What would be your DREAM project, if you could start it tomorrow?
TS: "Hellboy Animated 3"
MM: Finally, you mentioned your wife earlier... so... you're married? Darn.
TS: Yes, I'm married. Three kids, one of whom is married. The youngest, now out of high school, was the basis for Gosalyn Mallard, Darkwing’s daughter. A dog and a pond with too many koi.
NN: Thank you Tad! We can't wait to see the finished products!
TS: Thank you, for your questions and interest!